Integrate functions to support the plural community on Discord
At the moment, plural systems on discord are forced to rely on bots like Pluralkit to allow each individual member to communicate as themselves. We are asking that Discord integrate some of the functions provided by Pluralkit and similar bots, namely the ability to send messages via proxy, into its programming
This would not only allow for better useability of the platform for systems, who would now be able to proxy in private messages and group chats, but would be a groundbreaking show of support for the plural community
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(Not original) host of a DID system here, I think this would be SUPER helpful to the general plural community, and while I understand some people are uncomfortable with it, take this into consideration:
- Just because it might become a feature, doesn't mean it has to be a /fully/ visible one, much how you can turn off whether people can see you playing games/using programs on your electronics, the whole world doesn't need to know you're plural.
- Not ALL servers who don't use Pluralkit are instantly classified as anti-system, I'm in a close friends servers focused on the games said friends develop, and quite a few members are plural, however the admin of the server is very against bots, specially non-official ones, because of the concept they can be used for trying to grab more info about your identity than they should. While we respect their wishes and know they still care about and support us, it does make it interacting there really uncomfortable and difficult, if this were to be a feature, we very likely would be able to interact there, and possibly in many more servers, more comfortably.
- Like a couple others mentioned, having that ability in DMs would be AMAZING, so we wouldn't have to make 101 servers just so we can all chat freely and comfortably with our friends without discomfort.
PLEASE make this a reality Discord27 -
Apart from having plural friends who could really use this, I'm on, like, five DnD servers, so this would be hella helpful for me personally. This might not be a "basic" feature, but it can be implemented easily enough, so the cost is low.
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Adding my two cents in for what they're worth, and I'm all for adding this feature. My sibling has DID and this feature would help them out a lot. As a lot of other people have commented, there are bots that can do this already, which is true, but my sibling hasn't be able to use any of them because learning the controls is overwhelming for them and in addition to that it just doesn't work in direct messages. No one would have to use this feature if they don't want to, and I'm sorry that anyone has ever tried to pressure any of your into identifying who's fronting. In fact I'm fairly confident that my sibling's system wouldn't use this all the time, as they often blend or are co-con. But for when they do want to specifically let someone know who's talking? This would make it a lot easier for them.
On top of that, this can be a bit more than a fancier way of signing of on a message. (which I think is what some people tend to think of it as) This would let them feel a lot less like they're sharing an account and a lot more like they're being treated as individuals. Which is good! They are individuals and I don't think it hurts anyone to implement something that lets them have their own profile pictures or roles easily available.
A lot of people are focusing on the pressure this might bring from some people to show who's fronting at all times, and I'm sorry you've had experiences like that, but that would not be the fault of this feature. That's the fault of the people doing the pressuring. I don't think it's quite fair to talk badly about a feature that could help many people because you're afraid that some people might use it as an excuse to act badly.
At the end of the day, whether this helps you or not, (speaking as someone who will get no use of this feature, I'm a singlet) there are many people who this will help. Not just help them communicate but also help them feel more acknowledged and seen. Trying to stop this from happening with the excuse "but what if people use it do to mean things" isn't a good argument and it's the people doing the means things in that case who are the problem, not the feature itself.26 -
As a system ourselves, This would be insanely helpful. We would LOVE to be able to proxy in personal dms, it would make keeping everyone apart easier, and would help for those who feel weird speaking through an account name and icon that isn't theirs.
And it would also be great to not have to worry about whether a server has pluralkit. Hell maybe even giving us the ability to have proxy accounts with name colors?? We'd all love to have something like that!
This would also extent beyond being helpful for the plural community. RPing would get so much nicer and neater with something like this!
Implementing features for this would only be a net gain, it would mean the world for the plural community/RPers, and wouldn't have any negative impact on those who don't need it. Not to mention server mods wouldn't have to worry about adding a bot to their server to give us these features, making life easier for them.22 -
I think there's validity to the fear of being "outed" on certain servers. It would be ideal if this feature could be server-specific in some way, like how nicknames are currently.
Bots like Plural Kit are just not a reasonable solution due to the issues caused by the post-delete-repost process: it can trigger dissociation and dysphoria in systems, and it can trigger migraines in those who are prone to them.20 -
Not a system myself, but I have a lot of friends that are- I really think that doing this would be beneficial to them.
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As someone Who knows several plural People, this would be an amazing addition to make discord more inclusive, it would be great to see something like this implemented in the near future
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While we're not comfortable with many people knowing we're a system, I'm friends with systems who would likely really appreciate this and use it.
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We love this idea. As a plural system who uses proxies daily, Pluralkit and other similar bots are really useful, but they have their limitations. Direct messaging is usually easier for us to check and remember to check and with proxying, we wouldn't need to make servers specifically to communicate with our proxies. In addition, like many others have said, this would hopefully educate more people on plurality which is fantastic! I believe that plurality is really underrepresented, and a company as large and known as Discord recognizing it, would be absolutely amazing.
tl;dr It would be great to have Discord implement something that emulates proxying. :)21 -
As a system that has had to use pluralkit and similar bots for over a month, I find that this would be incredibly useful and helpful.
It would show the support that we are being given as systems, and it would also be useful because it could be managed better and moderated better than a bot could. -🕓18 -
We are a system of around 30 members, and we use proxy constantly. If Discord added this feature it would be so so helpful. It would show so much support for the plural community, as well as being basic access for disabled/plural folks. Also, imagine if we could use proxy in DMs! This whole addition to Discord would be such a big step in progress for plural people and is a needed accessibility feature.
We've also seen people saying that this would be a bad feature to have, so perhaps make it clear that this is completely optional? We sometimes don't want to specify who's fronting, and we just don't use a proxy when we don't want to. Just adding a reminder that systems are not being forced to use this feature and it's just there if you want to use it would be really really helpful for anyone who feels this way!20 -
I have noticed certain messages stating that this is something that bots already do perfectly well. However, I have to disagree with them on a few counts:
- Moderation It can be difficult for moderators to figure out which system a given member belongs to within the framework of a bot; some servers I know of have adopted policies of username tagging to assist with this, but a native solution could make it far easier.
- Search Due to the nature of webhooks, which are used to implement current solutions, it is not possible to search for messages from a given system or member. Again, a native solution could integrate this into the search mechanism.
- Message editing/deletion There is not really a particularly user-friendly way for bots to allow systems to edit/delete any messages. This is often irritating, and would be easily fixed by a native solution within Discord.
- Direct messages The bots flat-out do not work in direct messages, requiring anyone communicating with a system to learn prefixes for each member (which can often be overwhelming, especially when systems have tens of members). A solution implemented within Discord could work within DM's.
Being part of a system, I think that adding these features to Discord would bring quality-of-life improvements not only to systems, but also to roleplayers and other existing users of these bots
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I have DID, and I think this'd be a wonderful feature. Having more options is always a good thing most of the time. I don't agree that having this option would be detrimental as that makes no sense. You are giving people an option, you don't have to take that option too. Just because something exists, doesn't mean you have to use it too.
This would be a lovely and welcome feature. I usually just change my name every time depending on which of us are out. I'd love something like this16 -
we're a pretty sizeable sys of about 34 alters, and honestly this would be such a wonderful addition for us. we have a lot of anxiety centered around not being able to tell who's fronting and the lack of proxying in DMs and servers without pk or other proxybots triggers that anxiety really easily. we cast one (or 34, depending on how you look at it) vote for this to be added, and one more positive comment. here's to the hopes of proxying being added to the very programming of discord!!
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The fact of the matter here is that a lot of people are just not tech-savvy, and it can be really difficult to navigate a bot. If you integrated it into discord, it could be a lot easier to understand. It can be clicking a button rather than navigating confusing bot commands.
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Ah! A thread for what we've been emailing Discord about.
This is something needed by so many users. Absolutely. Yes. We are a DID system and this is something we need for Discord to be accessible.
For those who say it isn't useful, you don't have to use it. There are many more who need this integration, a lot of servers won't add necessary accessibility bots like PluralKit, and it would bring so many new users to Discord.
Thanks for making this thread!14 -
I think this would be a really useful feature for those who need it! It has a few advantages over the bots, such as the link to the main account being instantly visible, messages being searchable, and allowing this function in DMs. As well as being able to block out a specific proxy, potentially? That is not possible with the webhooks.
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anyone saying people can just use pluralkit doesn't understand how dogshit it is
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This would be a super useful tool for us!
As a system, we have several headmates who all use pluralkit, and we are also big rpers.
I think it would work best as a proxy setup, and a curb cutter effect type deal. I don't think it should be billed solely as something for systems. That way, it can be more accessible for anyone who wants to use it for any reason, and it provides less pressure on systems who don't want to be out all the time.
I think that setting up proxy accounts in a new tab in settings would be great. I think there should be options to view proxy accounts listed under someone's account, but I also think there should be a way to toggle some to be private, whether that be in a server or in the account settings (maybe both?)
Personally, we'd like to be able to tailor the publicity of headmates most. Per server and depending on friend status, and other little fiddly bits like that, would be really important to us. Sometimes a headmate doesn't want to be public in some servers, but does want to exist in others. Sometimes we have friends but we don't want them to know.
Being able to assign different roles colors to different headmates, and being able to add descriptions or easily link the proxy account back to the main is an absolute must-have, in my opinion.
I think it'd be really cool to be able to "switch" the main account someone is being proxied under or set it up to be auto-proxied under a name, but be able to override that with a sign-off or command (being able to set custom proxy signoffs is a wonderful feature of the bots that I'd like to see kept) so we don't want to have to go in and switch the full account over just to send like, one message.
It'd also be a good idea to be able to have a choice to block a proxied sub-account or the full account. Currently, using PK, if the main account is blocked, the pk messages aren't, and that is an issue. Having an integrated feature could expand the useage of moderation tools and make them more compatible.
It would be a huge sign of support and actual acknowledgement of systems from an accessibility standpoint, in this society where we're so often villainized or treated solely as a medical disorder to be solved and fixed (no offense meant to anyone who does want to permanently integrate, but it's just not for us, we operate better as a system).
I think, above all, flexibility is important if this is gone through with. Because every system is different, and because people would find other ways to use this feature.
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I have a few friends that would benefit from this! It would be awesome to know who I'm truly talking to in their system without them having to tell me or create a separate account.
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This would be so good. Having to ask for people to add a bot that is literally an accessibility feature for my system to a server can be humiliating and incredibly anxiety inducing.
Obviously, if other systems don't feel comfortable using it or feel it isn't helpful for them....you literally don't have to use it. No one is going to force you to use a feature you don't want to. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a feature that would make life so much better for others.
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Yes please, it would be freeing. We end up changing our profile icon just for servers without pluralkit or it feels all wrong... Also it would be more handy because messages posted by bots aren't editable if we made typos or anything...
There's always the issue, should i make a new account to come in pk-less server without being the same alter ? But in their rules it's written they don't allow double accounts, so would it be illegal ? But i can't use the account of an alter for myself ?
It's just a mess that can be fixed if it becomes a well made official feature... Right now i'm posting with the account of an alter who's not me and i'm shame haha... Let Us Unify Universally Please
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As a DID system with 19 members and counting this would be SUPER useful for me to DM my friends and let them know who's out. For those complaining this is "niche", this isnt only useful for systems- rp accounts or DND groups could use this to differentiate between in character, out of character, or multiple characters without being too cumbersome. I think this is a wonderful feature and theres a lot of systems who like discord *for* the pluralkit bot, it would be nothing but a benefit to integrate proxy to discord.
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This would be an excellent set of features. The plural community deserves an easy user experience like the rest of us! These features could have other utilities as well, so everyone can benefit from them. I can't speak on exactly what the best way of implementing them would be since I'm a singlet, but I wanted to voice my support.
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I would love this but ONLY if it's useable in DMs. Nearly half of my servers right now are servers standing in the place of DMs just so that my headmates and I can be ourselves and smoothly signal who's talking when.
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this would help us so much!!
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This would be an immensely helpful feature!!
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As someone with both DID and a passion for role playing games this would be a worthy investment of time and effort to create. I think it would be an amazing and inclusive addition to a service I already swear by.
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We've seen people saying that this would be a bad feature to have, so perhaps make it clear that this is completely optional? We sometimes don't want to specify who's fronting, and we just don't use a proxy when we don't want to. Just adding a reminder that systems are not being forced to use this feature and it's just there if you want to use it would be really really helpful for anyone who feels this way!
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This would be really cool, it would mean that people who are sensitive to the rapid deletion of messages could interact with systems easier
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