Force disable invisible status in server settings
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this is the dumbest suggestion ever, "let's dictate people into doing whatever we want in our server".
If you want an actual solution to the problem where you want to know who's read a certain post or posts in a certain channel, then suggest a function where you can keep track of who's seen or read a certain post.
as a server owner wanting to take away the ability to appear offline is like you just wanna be a dictator, nothing more.
if you don't like that people can set their OWN status to whatever the heck they want, that's really your own problem.
can't handle that? don't create a server or invite people to it5 -
People objecting are still maintaining the trend of crying "privacy violation" instead of posing any logical objections.
Invisible Mode is used in a way that enables antisocial behavior, as most people (as you can see in the Comments) don't always have the social graces to adhere to proper etiquette. These are people who join and leave dozens of servers a day within the span of 5 minutes, who lurk in someone's server, saying nothing, failing to introduce themselves and contributing nothing to the communities; they're just taking up space.
If you want to be socially awkward, FINE, but at least make some attempt at Netiquette while you're at it, and be PRESENT, be VISIBLE and INTERACT or else get out and stick to places you'll invest in.
Maybe someone can make a Voyeur Instant Messenger where nobody can see anybody else, and they just skulk around invisibly while fancying themselves the cleverest of devils, and can occasionally pop into chat rooms invisibly and breathe heavily while staring at other people being sociable.
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and people supporting this are still maintaining the trend of crying "I want the people in my server to do exactly what I like" instead of looking at it from the ACTUAL logical perspective
again, don't like people having their own choice of status? then don't invite people to your server
"take responsibility and start unfriending/blocking people" .... who are you to demand from people that they should just unfriend and block others?6 -
@Misa nice to know when somebody is a pro at word salad arguments.
I don't recall sending out any advertisements that invited sketchy perverts to skulk around my servers invisibly. There HAS to be a better place for that. I'm sure KIK or some other sketch platform has more people like you, and you can all hide from each other and pretend you're offline when you're not.
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@Muse nice edit in your post there bud, but hey invisible mode is what enables antisocial behaviour... because having an online status is going to make people 'interact' in a server. some logic
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Welp, guess i'm being antisocial right now. If you remove the users ability to go invisible, you'll end up turning away a huge amount of the userbase. As a server owner if you don't want people skulking around then just remove them, as simple as that.
Also, @Muse I don't know why you are complaining about invites and "Sketchy perverts to skulk around my servers invisibly" when discord grants you the permissions to disable invite links and remove people, just do that.
Last thing, taking up space when servers don't have a membership limit and trying to enforce certain values of "Netiquette" on people is just laughable and this has really made my day.
Stupid suggestion, don't add it.
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The level of dumb in this thread is quite impressive.
Nobody is taking your freedoms or choices away. I want to give you the choice to join my server or not based on if you can be a functioning human being and not hide like a weirdo.
You can spy on people in millions of other servers just not mine.
If you're struggling to understand this please either continue to finish your school education or perhaps revisit it if you've left already.-4 -
and I'm saying, based on my proper education which you seem to be lacking, that an online status doesn't mean that people will be social or talk. which also has nothing to do with someone being a 'functioning human being' or a 'weirdo'
now if you are struggling to understand this, please grow some braincells2 -
also if everyone in this thread who has used the term 'spying' refer to people just reading content in a discord server, then I guess everyone on discord is spying....
set up some roles and permissions if you're so afraid of people reading your channels4 -
:D Sentences start with capital letters oh educated one.
Stop being so precious, you don't have to join my server. Go be invisible somewhere else.
Freedom of choiceRoles and permissions are not the issue here.
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Just ignore Misa. She's got more spine than wits, and there's nothing you can do with that.
As for "you'll end up turning away a huge amount of the userbase", it's interesting when people without a business degree try and preach how the loss of a redundant feature will lose somebody a userbase.
People don't come to Discord for the Invisible status. As the other poster said, I suggest you finish your schooling if strawman arguments are all you can offer. You're entitled to your opinion, but I wish the arguments were more accurate.
The people who disagree with this idea aren't dumb; those making irrational, left-field objections...probably are.
Also, obsessively and systematically downvoting every message I make before your rebuttals just takes the "dumb" to the next level.
Even if you have the "jolly good proper Doctorate education in SOSMART Sciences", doesn't mean your justifications for malignant behavior are any less dumb. An idiot with three Doctorates is just an Idiot with three Doctorates, no matter how you dress him/her.
Object if you will, just try and make an objection that is based on actual logistics, rather than parroting the same weak, vague, senseless objections.
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oh dear god, I don't start my sentences with a capital letter on an online thread... I must have had no education....
please stop making yourself look worse with every post, it actually hurts to see.well you're right about roles and permissions not being the issue, there is no issue to begin with other than your whining about other peoples statuses (yes it's as sad as it sounds)
also @Muse, business degree or not, common sense still applies here. saying things like 'privacy violation isn't a logical objection' really doesn't make you look very smart... just saying
Edit:it's pretty amusing to see how you both have to resort to calling people dumb when you can't handle the fact that they have a different opinion than you and probably come with much better suggestions than "boo hoo everyone is invisible and I'm a control freak and everyone has to listen to me so take away the invisible status now or else I cry!!!"
but hey no matter how much you try to argue, fact is discord will never ever have a feature where you can change a person's status, because discord developers probably DO have common sense.
sadly you're both gonna have to continue crying about people being invisible.... cause it's not going to change6 -
Misa's bad arguments are bait, folks. Everything they post is most likely going to be as full of holes as Swiss cheese used as a target at a gun range - increasingly so, the more we give them ammo by exposing what disgusts and disappoints us - but I strongly advise that we don't feed the trolls, and follow Discord's rules by keeping feedback related to how to improve upon the suggestions posted by users.
They're here to get their 'supply', so if we starve them, they'll go find other people to bait, twirly moustache, monocle and glass of wine-colored drink and all.
Thank you to everyone else who didn't try to make my feedback post into their own personal troll lair.
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@Muse act like a poor victim all you want, truth remains that you change/delete your posts whenever you've been shut down by facts.
Edit: who's obsessively downvoting my posts and upvoting their own now?5 -
"being part of a community means interaction" you realise what that means right? it means interaction between members. what it doesnt mean is forcing people to interact when they dont want to which is @misa's point I believe. that will NEVER work you cant just remove something like this and expect people to start interacting more, infact people will interact less because instead of "appearing offline" they will just go offline, fact is alot of people just dont have something to say alot of the time and that is fine.
also removing or blocking someone who you dont want to speak to right now is a terrible piece of advice and shows to me you have no understanding of how people interact it is a huge overreaction alot of the time, say its late and you need to be at work the next day and someone messages you, do you want to respond and keep yourself up? no ofc not, do you hate that person and wish to block them? also no...
saying this feature has no purpose shows you two have a very narrow view point and dont see the bigger picture and have resorted to personally attacking the person rather than their argument.
at this point it looks like you are both nosy server owners who have been ghosted before by someone, got butthurt and are now crusading against the feature and think being able to violate someone elses privacy is okay to do if you are a "server owner" which it is not. (btw thinking being a server owner gives you any type of real power is a completely pointless considering how easy it is to create a server.)
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Now, now, this thread has become quite lively and spammed my mailbox since i ticked the "follow" box last year, lol.
Originally I'm not exactly pro-offline or against it, what we asked (a guild of stupid android game called golfstar) is that discord can be more versatile about offline/online status.
We have special channel called "admin-room" where we make most of our guild decision, and we don't want people that we chose and agreed to be appointed as admins to be showed as offline at that channel while they are actually online since we need them at most of the time. Of course they can be offline at every other channels that involved the majority of guild members.
Other non-admins can freely stays as offline as they like and I wouldn't care less, but if admin do so, and i found them to be acting so (especially if there's a voting or some decision need their input) i would call them out and i have kick some out. But it would make me appointing admins to be useless, isn't? I could handle the server just by myself and be a dictator? No, I cannot. No one would be a member of my guild if I do so.
So therefore, I'm just really really unhappy with current "versatility" of Discord's offline/online status. Why don't you just put busy instead of adding offline? That way I'll know you're online but don't want to be disturbed, and you can easily ignore me if i talk to you while you're in busy status (even if i get mad or something, i will be the stupid one, since of course i know you are busy).Why did discord allow a status that is a lie (online but showed as offline)? I will repeat my last year principle, "privacy that violates other's right should not be tolerated"
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@onethesigma I agree, having the server owner force-turn-off the invisibility status on their members (or admins, doesn't matter tbh) is just a massive violation and will 100% guaranteed be abused.
it sucks having your admins who need to be approachable most of the time appear offline, but to me that just seems like a case where you need to make that clear to your admins before you assign them the role. (and not just straight up enforce an online status).
Edit: btw being online but setting your status as 'busy' and ignoring someone will alot of the time offend the person being ignored
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@Misa, of course, i handpicked them, talked to them, clearly telling them the rules, and yet i still found (last time i kicked one admin) that is offline but online (how do i know? i'll tell you a secret.. I have a second account that masked as a woman that would also appear offline and randomly say hi to him whenever the admins need some decision)
Also, i solemnly swear to you, i will not be offended if you ignore me while at busy status. Because, that is what busy means, and i'm aware of the consequences.
Then again, apparently i've just get going with it nowadays. i got tired of calling out them and now I let my admins roam free talk free while setting status to offline (actually i think they forgot to set it back to online, lol)
Anyway, have a good day to you all. It's always nice to see people writing something and discussing something. I'll drop by here and now. Oh, and if you happens to play golfstar sometime, just add me as your friend (game ID and server ID at my discord pic) and i can show you my server.
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The issue was always people feigning being offline when they're actually online. It's deceitful. It's optional. It's inessential. It isn't about privacy, it never was.
When the next troll pops up, having a laugh by playing dumb at this having anything to do with "privacy" (and they send their flying monkeys to downvote all opposing views), just refer back to this message.
Hmm, maybe the solution is to equip servers with a function that makes all channels/categories invisible to anyone who is in Invisible Mode. Maybe common sense will sink in then! After all, if they need "privacy", they won't have any need to be scanning through people's posts in the server, right? ;)
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@Muse you're just getting pathetic at this point...
everyone who downvotes you or has a different opinion than you is a 'troll' ok
lol 'deceitful' 'inessential' , I feel bad for you that you've been ignored by people appearing offline, but I completely understand based on what I've seen from you, why they would do that tbh
Also nice edit, here's mine:someone already suggested the channels being invisible to people appearing offline. maybe you should read the whole thread first
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Hi, @muse I'm a fan of your band! But I quite disliked the new album though.
@misa, I guess discord just copied that from other social media, not from general users' point of view, so here we are discussing (debating) this topic
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@onethesigma
I don't think it's just been 'copied' from other social media. it's actually a very wanted feature, if you ignore the few control freaks around here
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Narc Alert!
• Put Downs
• Refers to "education" out of context
• Antisocial behavior
• Deliberately demeaning behavior
• Pervasive need to dominate.
• Delusions of grandeur.
• Projects ignorance onto others.
• Spews vitriol when mirrored.
• "Word salad" arguments
• Addicted to insulting speech.
• Argues just to argue.
• Can't leave any differing views alone.
• More comments than anyone else.
• Not one original thought to share.
• Every "point" accompanied by insults.
• Attacks everyone in Comments
• Sees no merits to disagreements.
• Will probably keep doing all the above.-8 -
you must be offended if you give so much thought about a random person on an online thread...
anyway going back to the actual topic rather than this pathetic butthurt kiddo throwing idiotic personal remarks that he himself started in the first place (which ofcourse he deleted or edited out because let's be honest, it's just plain idiotic)
personally I like to stay in busy mode due to pings and notifications, but majority of people do actually want the invisibility feature
calling them 'lurkers' or 'weirdo's' or 'perverts' (as those two kids above were saying) really doesn't apply here, someone having an online status could just aswell not be socializing and just be a weird lurking pervert.
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Adding to the list:
- delusions of grandeur ("you must care SO MUCH-")
- ageist (inaccurate) remarks about anyone who disagrees. ("Kiddos")
- More demeaning language ("pathetic", "butthurt", "idiotic")-Subscribed to a Suggestion just to flame people who upvotes the suggestion.
- Refers to self as "majority"- obsessively and compulsively downvotes any posts made by specific person(s), even those conceding a point the narc made.
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Now now, @misa, I know that online community is harsh. And yes, I have actually kicked out some members due to be verbally abusive or perverts, but I did not know if the feature comes from majority actually wanted it. Please kindly inform me where do I can find the original discussion about that feature. Is it from the discord official forum?
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@muse, your vocabulary is awesome. Thanks for the new words and the meaning of it
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sorry @muse but you are not above anyone here if you look back at your own posts you can see you are the one who started with the insulting language here describing those who use and like the feature and skulking, creeping around and calling them "sick" and "perverts" not sure what type of server you are running there if people looking at posts without you knowing are perverts...
also looking at that list those things you said must better describe yourself than anyone considering you have done nothing but resorted to insults now calling people "narcs" for disagreeing with you this is textbook inflated ego and "delusions of grandeur" eg you thinking because you are a server owner you are entitled to additional perks and have the right to violate their privacy
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@onethesigma a quick google search gave me this result:
https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360029554971-Be-invisible-on-one-server-but-online-on-another-it's a suggestion on choosing to appear invisible in some servers and not in others.
if you read through the thread you will find that alot of the people actually find the invisible status very useful, even if it may not be perfect
anyway ... I think I made my point so it's really up to you now to throw more personal remarks or just accept the fact that others have a different opinion than you
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Thanks @misa and yeah, it's just an personal opinion. I just honestly thought discord can be more versatile. That's it.
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