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  • ~aah, interesting!~

    i like how the comments that are correctly saying that it is against the law are downvoted smh

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  • hikayamasan353

    Firere,

    The COPPA law explicitly states that parental consent is required. It does not unconditionally prohibit kids personal data use. I already have posted a link to the law on eCFR.

    However, the high costs of implementing parental consent has ENABLED literally every online service to simply banish kids. This also has led to the chilling effect on serving children under 13 online. Because it's easier to banish kids instead of implementing parental consent, it became a normal practice. Which has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children's online privacy and children themselves.

    What is against the law, is to simply let kids in WITHOUT parental consent. What I am calling for, is to IMPLEMENT parental consent, just like Roblox has done, to comply with COPPA. Roblox has done well with how it complied with COPPA, and this way should be the norm. The zero-tolerance "ban them all" approach towards children using online services simply does not work, because kids are not dumb and will always find a workaround. And they are already doing it. They lie about their age with and without their parents involvement.

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  • NikolatheCroky

    I agree 100%. Children want to chat too. I personally know many children that are like 8-9 years old and want to chat with their friends on discord. But they can't. The COPPA law says that kids who are under 13 can have accounts on any internet platform with explicit permission from their legal guardian. Seeing that they have no reason to not implement this. I can't understand why they are not doing it. Many adults tend to not understand kids. They say that they are not allowing them to protect them while in reality it's just because they are too lazy to control what they do and supervise them. I think that they should implement this 100%. As I said the COPPA law is not forbidding it so they have no reason not to do it. I have been asking for this and will continue asking for it until I get a reason why they can't or until they implement it.

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  • i identify as a cinamon stick

    I need help im not over 13 and my guardian/parents dont understand English and there is no translation to my language which is Arabic and even if there was an arabic translation they dont even understand how discord works and they would be confused and even if there was arabic translation and they understand how it works I only chat in it in english so they wont understand what I wrote I need help on this and what should I do

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  • 丂էØ尺ᗰ

    its not fair how u gotta be over 13 to use discord and you will get banned if you are under 13. Some kids play games with a discord server and they have questions, or are looking to discuss about the game, or they want to use voice chat. But then the mods find out u are under 13 then BAM. U get slapped by the ban hammer. Its unfair how this is a rule and if they ban all people under 13 discord will lose a majority of their community.

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  • 丂էØ尺ᗰ

    make it like roblox and google like if you register as an under 13 then it will ask you to enter your parents email and stuff like that. Then you will have limited permissions like you can only join servers that allow under 13 users and stuff like that. I just find it unfair that in order to use this amazing platform you need to be a certain age. Its unfair and this needs to stop...

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  • УD

    This is not really Discord's fault. This is COPPA's fault. Unfortunately, COPPA doesn't have a comment section, so I have to continue ranting here.

    madz | 🤍 ジャック said: {

    • Bad example above? Alright. Lemme put it this way: "Banishing kids from social media who are not at the right age to protect them is bullshit," wellllllllll, that's like saying: "Sending kids to prison for distributing no-no stuff to protect them is bullshit."

    }

    Those two phrases are NOT similar at ALL. In the second example, the kid is punished for something they did, but in the first example, they were punished for something they cannot control. There is a difference.

    It makes no sense you can get kids banned from a social media platform simply by existing, especially since in recent times it has become nearly impossible to make friends in the real world. The internet is the only reason many people can still talk to their friends. Without access to the internet, children will become lonely, perhaps even developing anxiety or depression, and will most likely become anti-social because of a lack of contact. This is especially damaging for children who have parents who either aren't there all the time to talk to them, or are abusive/invasive, meaning the child doesn't want to talk to them.

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  • Erdi__

    I'm turning 13 in a few months. I'm still considered a "kid". 

    Are all kids stupid? No.

    Instead of age restrictions, I'd personally block out inappropriate words for kids my age. It's probably bad that I know things I would learn at 18 years old, but blame that on my uncle for teaching me those things.

    As a lot of you said, some kids are smarter than adults. My IQ according to IQ tests for 12-year-olds is 150. The average in my country is 90, so when an adult says something dumb and I try to correct them, I always lose because the adults are "more experienced in life" than me.

    Edit: I would recommend just adding certain restrictions. Make it so ages 9 to 12 have restrictions, 8 and under are not allowed and 13+ no restrictions. Good? Thanks ^_^

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  • cyno

    i strongly agree, a lot of websites that apply with coppa have implemented some restrictions that let <13 users use their sites but with certain restrictions, a few examples being roblox and google as you said before. maybe adding option for servers to be a "<13 friendly server", having to get permission from parent's email to friend people, monitor dms, voice chat permissions from parents, etc. i know a lot of 11-12 year olds, they're very mature, probably even more mature than me. they could probably pass for being 16-18 ngl. sure, i know there are a lot of immature kids on here already, but there are many, very mature ones. these parent controls which allow <13 users to use discord would benefit kids, parents, strengthen kids friend groups (yes, i had discord when i was underage too and it really helped me get closer to my irl friends), etc.  

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  • УD

    COPPA law states that kids with smart parents must be lonely until COVID-19 is eliminated.

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  • LCEE DARKY

    "COPPA law states that kids with smart parents must be lonley.." What the.. okay.
    "..until COVID-19 is eliminated..." No not ok
    Please don't say that, that doesn't make sense

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  • LCEE DARKY

    https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360048312192/comments/360014058153
    no, just let people from age 0 use discord if the can understand, or just let them in general

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  • LCEE DARKY

    https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360048312192/comments/360012856214
    There are parents who want their mature kid to not use discord, but instead ZOOM..
    oh please no

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  • LCEE DARKY

    Me being sick, I don't want to "infect" friends i find, so i find friends online, because my irl friends would get sick too, and sleeping is hard, never ending sniff.. google translator.. sneeze without end, having a cold, headache and all that like taste is weird, i think social media is the only reason i didn't suicide, literally (THIS IS NOT A GOOD REASON FOR SUICIDE, NOTHING REALLY IS) I mean, discord goes brr?? I go suicide because I can't find friends irl, without my friends I probably suicide..
    YoUR NOT mATURe
    Im actually sick of this bullshit

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  • LCEE DARKY

    https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/360048312192/comments/360010798671 You are one of those who are a problem for Discord and its communities.

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  • Robinpika87

    tri-tip 

    why can kids then play

    minecraft

    roblox

    among us

    and more, 

    in all these things you can give out personal info 

     

    its you that dont understand

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  • Rikaelus

    I've got to add my vote to allowing parents to give permission to those under 13. As has been repeatedly stated, the law allows for this and other services support it. I'm not even asking for any filters or special functionality -- just a parental consent function to get them in the door and absolve Discord of any legal liabilities.

    My son is only ten but is playing multiplayer games like Sea of Thieves. He couldn't find any good people randomly in the game to play with so I suggested he should find a clan to join. But nowadays Discord is the go-to place for any kind of gaming clan comms. It's really disappointing for him and myself that this blanket ban effectively prohibits him from joining a gaming clan. Worst of all, he's got to wait three years? That's ridiculous.

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  • lavaman/nightking

    i agree, it is rude and infact discriminative to not allow individuals under 13 onto discord

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  • Tri-tip

    Look, none of you is above the law. If you disagree with legitimate legislation, then go slap one of the congressmen who made it in the face. But in the meanwhile you must abide, and discord must abide. It's not discriminatory, it's law. And by the way, Robinpika, kids aren't allowed to play among us under 13 either, and can't play minecraft online below 13 years of age. Your argument is invalid. I don't care how capable a child can be, its a matter of the law.

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  • lavaman/nightking

    FRANKYLY WHOEVER AGREES WITH THIS AGE RESTRICTION CRAP IS A JERKY DUDE, I HAVE MULTIPLE FRIENDS WHO ARE UNDER 13 AND I WANT TO BE ABLE TO CHAT WITH THEM DURING QUARENTINE. ITS ALSO JUST MEAN TO ASSUME THAT ALL YOUNG CHILDREN ARE IMMATURE AND STUPID, ITS JUST DISCRIMINATIVE.

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  • hikayamasan353

    Tri-tip

     

    It is your argument that is invalid. I hope you will have to get higher education and get the law degree, because universities are empty.

    First, I have researched about COPPA and even GDPR throughout my whole life. The law is all about PARENTAL CONSENT, not complete ban on serving children under 13. Parental consent requirement is there for a reason. Websites banish children under 13 not because of the law (because otherwise they would be completely fine with parental consent and already doing it), but because they fear to be sued for obtaining parental consent improperly. It is also expensive and costly - but for Discord, it shouldn't be that much to consult FTC on obtaining parental consent.

    FTC, honestly, is corrupt. Not only they enable websites to banish children instead of asking for parental consent, they also sue websites which actually attempt to obtain parental consent. Yet some websites have managed to evade this corruption.

    It's not just Roblox. Microsoft has family accounts. Google has Family Link. Facebook has Messenger Kids.

    In addition, there are serious and legitimate reasons to let children under 13 in without bending the law (by obtaining parental consent). It's not just COVID-19.

    And kids can play online on Minecraft on servers. It is Minecraft Realms only that are COPPA-locked. In fact I have been playing Minecraft on servers despite the fact that I'm way older than 13 and even older than 18.

    And I already am ready to shoot Edward Markey with an airsoft gun in the eye.

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  • MCPE2019

    Just trying to warn all of you guys.

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  • Melee King

    I think it unfair how you need to be 13+ to use discord, and trust me I know cause I got banned from my fav server 4 times becauseI was 3 weeks too young when I joined AND the mod waited until the 3rd time to actally tell me about it

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  • joshine

    if people want discord to make this available for kids, the app should at least have some restrictions first. and like some people've already said, it's up to the PARENTS to abide by the law and do what's right for their child, but letting kids on here is still risky regardless.

    there's already enough people falling for all sorts of terrible scams that make the platform a little unsafe for everyone, letting kids roam loose with these scams is like adding a bomb in a bonfire - and i'm not trying to scare anyone by saying this.

    so in summary: i'm not a law expert, but all of this is risky either way

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  • Inverted Wiseman

    My dad says that it’s not to not let kids play and be happy and play with other people, it’s is that they want to protect kids from other adults that want to harm kids and abuse of ‘EM 

    BUT BUT

    With the supervision of a adult like Roblox google and etc. But the adults really have to control the accounts and protect em wih antivirus, firewall AN I REALLY AGREE WITH PARENT SUPERVISION RULE.Please understand this message.

     

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  • lavaman/nightking

    Then the law just sucks

     

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  • cyno

    reading all of these again- i know, the laws, all that, but like others such as roblox and google like many have said. restrictions can be incorporated. maybe a "discord parent hub" app for parents, where they can verify which servers their child can join, friends, etc. however thinking about all of this, a lot of kids don't even need that. they're mature. not all, but almost most.

    okay then the concern about privacy, with the correct, age appropriate restrictions discord could be safe for kids 9+.

     

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  • Inverted Wiseman

    I agree

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  • Inverted Wiseman

    Tri-tip

     

    It is your argument that is invalid. I hope you will have to get higher education and get the law degree, because universities are empty.

    First, I have researched about COPPA and even GDPR throughout my whole life. The law is all about PARENTAL CONSENT, not complete ban on serving children under 13. Parental consent requirement is there for a reason. Websites banish children under 13 not because of the law (because otherwise they would be completely fine with parental consent and already doing it), but because they fear to be sued for obtaining parental consent improperly. It is also expensive and costly - but for Discord, it shouldn't be that much to consult FTC on obtaining parental consent.

    FTC, honestly, is corrupt. Not only they enable websites to banish children instead of asking for parental consent, they also sue websites which actually attempt to obtain parental consent. Yet some websites have managed to evade this corruption.

    It's not just Roblox. Microsoft has family accounts. Google has Family Link. Facebook has Messenger Kids.

    In addition, there are serious and legitimate reasons to let children under 13 in without bending the law (by obtaining parental consent). It's not just COVID-19.

    And kids can play online on Minecraft on servers. It is Minecraft Realms only that are COPPA-locked. In fact I have been playing Minecraft on servers despite the fact that I'm way older than 13 and even older than 18.

    And I already am ready to shoot Edward Markey with an airsoft gun in the eye.

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  • Inverted Wiseman

    That is true

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