Hardware ban instead of IP ban

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  • Lace

    facts

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  • Gif

    HWID Bans are easy to bypass too, but they are a pain in the ass.

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  • Morgan

    This would be amazing. Even if it's not perfect, it'd be a good way to get people that act like scum off the platform.

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  • kyoko

    Well, here is a little lesson in trickery, do you want to be a hacker number one? First lesson go to your wifi settings and switch this one, then discord and op have no clue who you are.

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  • Alqasem
    HELL YEAH
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  • Kaydax

    Teamspeak already did this for server bans, and It was very easy to bypass. There is no point in implementing this because there will always be a way around the ban. Even from your example (Blizzard) you can still easily make alt accounts and bypass any ban with ease

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  • Pumpkin

    I mean by that logic IP bans and account bans are even easier to bypass. The whole point is to add another variable to the pot for bypassers to slip up. Besides, unlike IP bans, its tons more difficult to change your ID if you were logged before having the disguise on.

    Most people don't even know how to do these things, or don't bother. If they do, most of the time its due to the ban, which is too late by then. Its a great idea, and I'm all for it.

     

    And uh, I really don't appreciate you giving encouragement to bypass bans, whether intentionally or sarcastically.

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  • SioxerNikita

    Seriously, why are people downvoting this?

    This is not the same as an IP address, and yes... it can be spoofed, but most people don't know how to.

    It's not just activating a VPN, and it wont hit an entire university, or anything similar.

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  • Nemesis306

    Seriously, why do people keeps downvoting this? This is a "MUST" feature. We MUST have this to remove spammers forever, maybe.

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  • [VIVA 1044] Novus Luna

    I agree with this. While Hardware ID bans can also be circumvented, not many people know how to change or spoof a HWID. Those who do know, are determined to be trolls. But at least they'll be fewer than people who just switch their VPN and can create new accounts on that new IP.

    I help moderate a server, and we constantly have two persistent users coming back on brand new accounts every few days, circumventing the MULTIPLE bans issued to them. We can't report them to Discord T&S because it's a new account each and every time, created seconds before they join, so I doubt Discord T&S can do much. And even a ban from Discord T&S can be circumvented. People do it all the time.

    Bans need to be by HWID now, not IP.

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  • cupid.rips.hearts

    This comment was on a suggestion regarding adding MAC address ban (NOT THE SAME AS HARDWARE ID BAN) and talks about that. However, the core still maintains: you can't get an hardware ID from a web page (Discord desktop and in the browser work almost the same way), and if you could it would be easily spoofed the same way.
    Not to mention the privacy concerns that this would show.

     

    MAC addresses can be easily spoofed with easily accessible tools on Windows.

    Using a virtual machine (Virtualbox, VMWare, QEMU), you can change the MAC address in no time.

    Besides, MAC addresses only matter for the router/switch to know where to send your packets.
    That's all it does.

    Quoting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address:
    media access control address (MAC address) of a device is a unique identifier assigned to a network interface controller (NIC). For communications within a network segment, it is used as a network address for most IEEE 802 network technologies, including EthernetWi-Fi, and Bluetooth.

     

    Addicionally, using WebRTC, it is possible to obtain the local IP, but not the MAC address.

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  • Squarto

    Yes I agree, this idea is not feasible.

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  • Snakemonger

    these bans are easily exploited by admins of extremist servers, they just IP ban you when you threaten to report the server!

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  • SioxerNikita

    @Snakemonger And... bans are also easily exploited in the first place? So?

     

    @cupid.rips.hearts You actually can, by having the program itself verifying hardware itself, and send the information on.

    @nyoko Then use different hardware checks.

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  • Darth
    The fact this has been downvoted is insane. It would of course be optional, and is really the only sure fire way to stop returning troublemakers on alts and vpns.
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  • Draconic NEO

    @Darth Ok How do you propose discord Get a hardware ID from a web browser they don't own i.e. Chrome, Firefox, Brave, Opera, etc. Without Using exploits that could be considered illegal and/or easily blocked or circumvented (by user or browser update)

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  • Zelkam

    There is no point of IP or Hardware banning people as a VPN or a Virtual Machine can get passed this. Even an iPhone on its LTE connection can get passed this.

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  • Pumpkin

    Zelkam, can is the key word there. Not everyone has a VPN active, in fact most people don't. Same goes for hardware id. By that logic what's the point of banning at all?

    In reality the idea is to create multiple methods of banning so that there's a lot more to keep track of and a lot more places to mess up if you are trying to avoid a ban. It won't get all of them banned, but it will get a metric ton more banned than as is for now. Which is kind of the idea.

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  • Puddles

    How exactly do we figure a hardware ID would be more effective than an IP ban? To get around an IP ban you have to have a vpn which is generally a paid software in 99% of cases as most free proxy sites are malware these days. You can change your hardware ID for free, there is a ton of software you can get just by googling and most is user friendly enough that anyone who could setup a vpn could figure it out

    If we're assuming MOST people wont circumvent, sure, they won't, but the only reason we're talking about it is because of people who abuse the system. I don't think you can convince me that these people wouldn't be able to watch a 5 minute youtube video on how to bypass this ban just like they did for IP bans

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  • [VIVA 1044] Novus Luna

    As far as PCs go, there is generally a lot of hardware in them. You ban the user using one of the many different IDs of their hardware. Make it difficult to track down which one got banned.

    Either way, adding another part to bans is better then doing absolutely nothing about the situation, even if in the end it only does a little bit to help.

    I would rather Discord do something instead of nothing.

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