Boosting not worth it - Ripoff.

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  • Drayx11

    As a note: this post wan't created to blindly throw shade at the developer, but as a way to criticize in the hope that the discussion will spark a reevaluation of this bad corporate practices, as Discord itself stated, is used by "250 milion daily gamers".
    Feel free to adress this topic in a civil way. 

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  • EngIo

    All of the features in Boosting were already implemented into the client years ago, but were gated off for verified servers (only Hypesquad Events/Partnership at the time). The reason why the benefits from boosting are so minimal is because they were only designed to be a small edge, and very little extra work needed to be put into monetizing them and pretending they were new additions.

    Let's not forget how in the blog post advertising the changes, they used the original boosting figures of 2/10/50 (I'm still laughing at how they expected people to get 50 boosts) instead of what was actually being used, 2/10/20, to cover up how they were actually making it more expensive to reach every tier beyond tier 1.

    Boosting a server to 30 is a total of $1049 even with the Nitro discount ($979 if you're already using the 2 included Nitro boosts). These prices are quite frankly exorbitant and the reason nobody is buying boosts is because they provide absolutely minimal benefit to you, and very likely benefit nobody at all because you need to spend exorbitant amounts of money to push a server up in tier. The cost of putting a server at the very lowest tier, with the discount, is $70. You're nearing the price of a World of Warcraft subscription, but for a glorified IRC client. As bad as modern WoW may be, I don't think anyone would argue the fact that it still has more content than Discord.

    While boosting is conceptually okay if executed well, in its current state it's demonstrating a massive disconnect between the developers and what a user can reasonably afford. It legitimately feels like they're exclusively trying to target a whale audience with this, and not anybody else in their userbase.

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  • Ane

    None of these things you mention that you think you are suddenly paid for, were ever free. VC was always 64 kb/s. 50 MB upload limit was 5 before nitro classic came around. 100 MB was only introduced recently. A lot of users don't remember, but nitro was made back when Discord was still kicking off. Initially, it wasn't about the perks. It isn't a paygate. They created it for a simple way for users to help support them, while getting some small things in return. A lot of people see it as "Discord Premium" now but it was never intended to be that. Nitro was a way to keep the platform running ad free while getting small perks like 50 MB upload limit and emoji access across all servers. Besides investors, the only way discord makes money is through Nitro. I would not say they are as well off of a company as you seem to think they are, but there's also no way of knowing (unless of course you work for them). 
    I'll have to disagree with your post. Since none of these features you claim used to be free, ever were. Nitro boosting allows us to have perks that previously only massive verified, partnered, or etc servers could have, and if that's a premium free, I'll take it.

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  • Drayx11

    Allright, we will have to agree to disagree from the start , because i know that no matter how much backing/facts i will ever provide to back my opinion/statements, discord fanboysm will persist even touugh they have a sub bar business freemium model.

    So, starting with "None of these things you mention that you think you are suddenly paid for, were ever free." Yes they were, i don't have a clue if it was because me and my friends were among the first people started using the app, if we enrolled into a beta program or whatnot. 

    You also seem to ignore the fact that this are absurd and out of touch prices , where people WOULD want to support them if only they didn't overpay by that much, we are approaching , like Englo said, WoW subscription prices, or i might add, Netflix.
    Simply put the amount compared to the benefits is not the only problem. The lack of choices and the greed they are trying to push alienates the majority of those self claimed 250M users. I will have to repeat myself because it seems you either did not read my whole post or you didn't care enough to adress all of the points i made. No regional prices, no option to permanently buy the features or buy them separately , asking a s**t load of cash when they make SO much money. 

     

    As for "Besides investors, the only way discord makes money is through Nitro. I would not say they are as well off of a company as you seem to think they are, but there's also no way of knowing (unless of course you work for them). "
    - I do not indeed work for them but a simple google search will reveal that besided selling merchendise:

    In December 2018 the company announced it raised $150 million in funding at a $2 billion valuation. The round was led by Greenoaks Capital with participation from Firstmark, Tencent, IVP, Index Ventures and Technology Opportunity Partners. With this latest bout of cash, Discord  has now pulled in more than $280 million in funding. - As of dec 2018, Techcrunch. 

    So is this the small indie company that we so need to support to stay afloat? Not to add that the current cost of doing business in this sector is much, much more smaller than you think it is. And is not about not giving them money, i am not making that point , is that i WOULD give them money if only it wasn't this expensive, bad perks/$ plus the monthly subscription. Is 1.700$/y  ever ok?

    I invite all to this thread, but please if you're going to blindly take a corporation's side , you would save both of our time by not starting a pointless discussion where you won't change your mind/opinion no matter how much evidence is presented before you. 

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  • Ane

    You're being as closed minded as you seem to think I am. I don't like the absurd prices, but you cannot base how much discord makes off of 1. Estimates and 2. How much the company would be worth if sold, because, a valuation is how much the company is worth if the owner sold it, and the 150 million is just an estimate. No one besides the inside of discord can confirm those numbers. So I'd take them with a grain of salt.


    On top of this, I never stated them to be an indie company. I told you that when nitro first started, that's what it was, and the intention. It had immensely less users than skype, and immensely less users than teamspeak. Now, things are definitely different, but that's what nitro started as. Whether it's still that or not, is up to the company's vision for Nitro. They also don't sell merch. I've seen them give it away at conventions, but they don't have a merch store so I have no idea where you got that idea from?

    I'm not blindly going into this. I think that boosting is ridiculous as well. I just don't agree with how you went about addressing it or your suggestions or reasoning. I think that Nitro Classic should get a boost, and I think that regular users should be able to buy boosting. I think that the boosting is absurd, since it supports the server not the individual user, to be priced at nearly the same amount even with a discount as NItro Full if you have classic already. And not letting yearly subs to nitro buy monthly boosts is also very stupid. I don't agree with your claims on the voice quality and such, because that has never been the case and I've been a server owner since I started discord. Maybe your server has constantly been used for testing of these features, they do that with plenty of servers, but for most, that is not the case.

    Appreciate the insults and assumptions though. I'mma yeet now.

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  • Drayx11

    Ok, first of all i didn't insult you and not planning to as i invited everyone to a civil discussion. BUT i am free to assume anything about your intelligence level as you are free to do that in return. 

    Please allow me to quote yourself without cherry-picking, for the last time im going to debunk what utter false information you wrote:

    "They also don't sell merch. I've seen them give it away at conventions, but they don't have a merch store so I have no idea where you got that idea from?" 

    https://merch.discordapp.com / or merch(DOT)discordapp(DOT)com . 

    bUt yOu Re nOt gOiNg BlInDlY iN tO tHiS , 

    Do you, yourself, "Ane" , know even what an estimate is? Utter misinformation and ill will in passing facts as opinions just to serve your own:
    "1Estimates and 2. How much the company would be worth if sold, because, a valuation is how much the company is worth if the owner sold it, and the 150 million is just an estimate. No one besides the inside of discord can confirm those numbers. So I'd take them with a grain of salt."
     So here we go:
    1 The company is ESTIMATED to be worth at bare minimum a whooping 1 billion dollars. https://www.businessinsider.com/discord-funding-2-billion-value-2018-12

    2. Indeed this is not how much they earn. And yes, i can pull an educated guess of how much money they have by the fact that after the 2nd investement round they got over 279 million dollars. If you want me to break that down for you, not all the investment fund actually goes into investmend, wow, big surprise, but a lot of that remains as actual funds, suplimented by the cashflow of different partnerships, nitro subscriptions and actual free marketing. 
    I provide sources, i put the low effort of actually tiping 3 words in the google search engine, unlike you who tries to refute information based on feelings. Please yeet some common sense into your noggin and stop derailing the conversation by playing a victim and a fake sympathizer. 

    Appreciate the ignorance, i'mma go eat now. 

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  • Ane

    Calling me: Unintelligent, Ignorant, a sympathizer, a victim card player, and mocking things I write, isn't civil, and definitely is an attempt to insult, but aight. Anyways, good luck with this thread. I'm going to be removing myself to the convo. We'll agree to disagree, just like you said initially, even though I even tried telling you I am partially on your side. Cya, have a good night/day man.

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  • Drayx11

    Oh please, you just played the golden victim card. Cite where exactly i called you unintelligent. PLEASE , and after that you might respond to the actual points i raised, And as far as i know, showing that what you wrote is utter bullsh*t is not called mocking, Ignorant? Excuse me, i'll adress you with "The almighty, all-knowing" from now on, you clearly showed that you definetly are an expert about the topic at hand, and clearly, there is no dicord merch shop, or they don't have funds.This is the effect of debunking all that you have claimed. And my assumption of your intelligence you can clearly guess, but i am respectfull enough not to call you out outright --> wE lIvE iN a SoCiEtY and i need to keep myself PC to not stir up other babbling lurkers to dilute the conversation even further from the original idea. 

    Come to think of it, im trully at fault here. I caught the trolling bait whole heartedly. Peace , mr trollo

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  • ActuallyLegendaryBro

    Why do you complain about a feature? Just let the feature be there. If you don't like it, then you don't do. On my opinion is Discord Nitro completely worth it, since it'll contribute to the whole server and you can sometimes get additional features that are set by the server.

    Edit: If you continue so, then the feature maybe will get removed, meaning that Nitro will be less worth, do you really want that?

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  • Aquila

    ActuallyLegendaryBro, I honestly just think it doesn't worth 10 bucks per month.

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  • Koios (Ergo)

    $100 dollars a month to get a tiny banner, an image on invites, and 100 MB file sharing. It's almost as if it's made to be paid by many users. The cost of my 1000Mbs internet.

    It's still bullshit trash and forces us to us other means to send files. It's already easy enough to use google. 

    Mixer lets you stream fast. Win+G and you're up. 

    A fix would be making Nitro linked to your server. Giving all the stuff you sub that Nitro for. 

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  • Koios (Ergo)

    @ActuallyLegendaryBro
     Might be that some of us have an issue with fawning over others. We have our own friends and groups and the only people that will pay into your severs are fans and the obsessive people that pine over a person. Almost no one is boosting to support a community that isn't focused on some sort of lust for a single individual. 

    You can't panhandle on the road so you do it on the internet. There are of issues with the situation and this is a single reason of many to take issue with. If someone starts selling a service for excessively overpriced amounts compared to all over forms of the server because they have the most in their communities. Could you picture Facebook Premium?

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  • ziplock9000

    I do think that 10/month is very expensive for 1080p desktop streaming. The rest is fluff. It should be 1.99/month.

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