Make the bot tag on discord webhooks optional
With the idea of people with DID/OSDD and systems/alters becoming a slightly more recognized topic on discord each and every day. There's bots that help alters express themselves more. For example, with bots like Pluralkit, it serves the purpose in allowing people with alters to have a form of self expression. All without the need of creating multiple discord accounts.
However, there is one thing that is very bothersome.
Because of Discord's webhook limitations. There's always an ever-present BOT tag next to every message sent. It looks like this:
this leads, almost always, to someone referring to these individuals as bots. Or users become confused as to "why a bot is talking to them".
Simply put, it can be very exhausting and frustrating to have to explain over and over that these are alters—real people—using pluralkit to communicate and have a form of self expression. But, pluralkit is limited by discord webhooks, hence the BOT tag next to the names.
I know this may not seem like a huge deal to majority of people on Discord, but as someone with OSDD myself, and as someone who has friends who have alters; I believe that with the increase of users on discord that have alters/systems - it may very well be something to take into consideration. Finding a way to somehow make the bot tag at bare minimum, optional in terms of discord webhooks.
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hopefully commenting helps boost posts
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i can entirely agree with this it’s really hurtful being a called a bot makes us feel unreal and such this would help so many alters within systems
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Yes.
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Yes yes! Definitely. I don't think people understand how hurtful being called a bot when we are real people is ^^;
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Agreed
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pls pls this would make life sm easier if the tag was gone :weary: -scot
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Absolutely agree! I don't have alters myself, but I have a bunch of friends who do and I can tell that it exhausts them to have to explain why the bot tag is there. Having it be optional would be a huge help and hopefully make it easier for people without systems to understand.
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Yes, 1000% yes.
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Yeah
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I do not agree to this because this could confuse even MORE PEOPLE!! You know what a server raider is? They would also use this to their advantage and trick server-owners/server-admins/server-mods! Some users cant still even understand why they can't find the bot anywhere in the server and they can't understand that is just a webhook.
- Server raiders can use it to their advantage.
Also just don't use a webhook to talk smh its your own fault that you get upset that your a bot, so just talk with your account.
- Server Members would most likely get confused as always and it will cause issues with people thinking that they can't ban this user that is actually a webhook because either: 1. The user that is actually a webhook is spamming the chat and or mass pinging. And 2. It will surely confuse everyone.
I know you all may think it will/might be cool to be able to pick if it says a BOT or not, but these are things to think about that will cause issues upon the users that are using this feature for the right purpose will have this feature taken away from them and everyone because of the users that use this feature to do bad.
Also this is more of a danger than a suggestion
This is a big no!
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I would suggest to anyone who does not understand pluralkit or anything of the likes including DID/OSDD, to definitely do some research too! It'll help gain an understanding to everything. Also I'd like to definitely say that pluralkit, with enough moderation and proper rules in place, can't be misused by every single person you see! ^^ again, research before you call things a "danger"!
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Well im saying raiders don't have to use that bot at all they can just make a webhook mark it as not a bot and them boom mass confusion and spamming @everyones and then you lose half of your members.
So maybe you should get some understanding and experience of using discord and encountering raiders.
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exactly what Josaiah said smh
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And what if they, by chance, added permissions where you could restrict such an option for everyone? And only make it accessible under certain channels, certain roles, and whatnot?
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Not really mishka they are saying that all servers have good moderation from the way they said it which is NOT true I've seen many servers with the lack of good moderation and it gets raided so this will hopefully not be added.
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Now when did I say "all" servers? I said servers with enough good moderation and careful watching ^^ I definitely did not imply all servers did!
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Yeah but still smart raiders gain server owner's trust and getting admin or perms, then they stab them in the back by betraying the owner by ruining the server and this is also an another issue.
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You did by saying it like that when you said
with enough moderation and proper rules in place, can't be misused by every single person you see!
that is implying that you're meaning all servers.
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I understand where your coming from but still. I've been one of the innocent server owners that gave trust in someone and they ruined my server when they gained trust and got perms.
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what does removing the bot tag have to do with that though
regardless people are going to raid things, and getting rid of the problematic bot tag wont change that-1 -
"With enough moderation and proper rules in place, can't be misused by every single person you see"
Let me break this down for you, since I can definitely tell there's some jumping to conclusions here ^^;
I did not explicitly say "all servers"
What I mean is that if there is any server (meaning servers in general (notice how I didn't say all?) out there, who care about their communities, and go through the process of proper vetting and get good and proper staff on board.) who looks after their community and makes sure things are in line.
There will not be that much of a problem! :D doesn't mean the problem would be totally eradicated, and I can agree with that. But it means the problem would be significantly less!
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Well, ok I guess this would work...Hope it is put to good!
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This would absolutely help systems! Please consider this, it's very harmful to alters (who are in fact REAL PEOPLE BTW) to get called a bot because it makes us feel like we're not real people with real lives! - Kokichi
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Yeah! It's really disheartening for us to be treated almost as non-human just because we have the BOT tag next to our name
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I'm sorry I'm still very confused on why you need to use a webhook? The reason that its
disheartening
is because your using a webhook, just don't use a webhook if you dont want you're self to be depressed or sad or upset about it. I am not understanding what and why all of you are all about the BOT tag and why you have to use webhook???
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Not meaning to make that message sound rude im just really confused on why ya'll have to use a webhook to talk?????????
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So, to explain as best as I can going off the main post.
Systems/alters use pluralkit to talk because it gives alters a sense of expression! It prevents from having to create multiple accounts, and while to some it may not be an issue to create multiple accounts, or simply sign off their name before or after messages. Not all too many find that route easier or convenient. Especially when a good majority of alters/systems discover pluralkit and use it.
From experience with us, signing off our name constantly or trying to keep tabs of changing our nicknames all the time was just not working out and people were left confused.
The thing is, pluralkit uses discord's webhooks. Hence why it gives off the impression of having "multiple" accounts. This is why we use webhooks! I hope that clarified it a bit?
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Agreed 1000% it's so hurtful and just all around annoying to be called a bot by complete strangers, and then have to explain everything to people who treat you like google -Ranboo
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Yeah! We're a system and its exhausting trying to explain to people that we're real living creatures with emotions and feelings and that we aren't some "bot" -Angel Dust
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I agree with you on this. However, this is a very sensitive subject. In the server settings and in the members section, it should be visible that there is a bot. In addition, the bot tag should be able to be turned on and off on demand. This I think will be very useful.
Best wishes,
Apollo-1
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